Why is there no craps thread? Come on I know we have some here.

http://forums.jackcolton.com/showthread.php?t=656&highlight=craps

http://forums.jackcolton.com/showthread.php?t=2752&highlight=craps

http://forums.jackcolton.com/showthread.php?t=2850&highlight=craps

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thanx, those links are great, I picked up a strategy that I think may earn me lil money next month!

I love craps. It's definitely an exciting way to gamble with people you know. But when it's bad, it's horrible. Roll a point, 7 out. Next shooter: roll a point, 7 out. I once flushed $400 down the drain in 10 min. That's a lot of money for me, especially for 10min...

i know exactly what you mean, smh..haha......My favorite game is Roulette though, on my first night learning the game I won $5,000, at the Luxor....ever since that week its been down hill, lol....do you know of any discussion on here as far as Roulette??

i know exactly what you mean, smh..haha......My favorite game is Roulette though, on my first night learning the game I won $5,000, at the Luxor....ever since that week its been down hill, lol....do you know of any discussion on here as far as Roulette??

http://forums.jackcolton.com/showthread.php?t=2791&highlight=roulette

Great links, I think I'm about to win bigger

i love craps except when I am absolutely hammered and think its a good idea to play, then i always seem to end up loosing tons of money.

I love craps especially when there is a virgin roller....they always seem to roll forever. LOVE LOVE LOVE Planet Hollywood for Craps

I always lose my ass at craps when I play at the HRH. Best winnings for me have always been at Mandalay.

I need to learn how to play. Whenever i think of Vegas Casinos craps is the first thing that comes to mind. Hopefully someone will teach me over there.

I need to learn how to play. Whenever i think of Vegas Casinos craps is the first thing that comes to mind. Hopefully someone will teach me over there.

It's easy to learn and win... I walked up to a steady $5 table and got next to the dealer(or whatever you call him). And just asked him what bets are good... Takes about a couple of rolls and you'll understand the basics... Just remember, The middle is for pros... Just hope for a hot roller and make big bank off your "place bets." (play and you'll understand.)

hey guys, im pretty much a newbie when it comes to craps, i understand all the odds and rolls and all, theres just one thing i want to know, when the button is on, are you allowed to pull your bets and cash out? i never really understood the part of leaving haha, i usually just play till the buttons off, lose the money on the field and cash out. it be nice to know if i could leave before the bets get wiped out hahah

Yes you can. Players around you usually frown on it, but people do it. Just tell them to take you down.

sweet thanks, when i head there for halloween gonna give craps a go again. last time not knowing what i was doing i lost 200 in like 5 mins in the mirage and then learnt it at MB and won the monies back

I wonder if anyone here is a set-dice roller. trying to learn some new throws to improve my game. getting up to ~15 rolls/7 !

Yep I set the dice and throw the dice with a nice arc short hoping the back wall.

Never hit a hand, never hit a rock

I love craps. It's definitely an exciting way to gamble with people you know. But when it's bad, it's horrible. Roll a point, 7 out. Next shooter: roll a point, 7 out. I once flushed $400 down the drain in 10 min. That's a lot of money for me, especially for 10min...

I feel your pain! Dice roll off the table, craps are sure to follow. Learned the hard way.

OK, OK...I know the craps purists and old schoolers may disagree, but DO bet the Fire Bet. Just throw the buck out there for every new shooter (I personally throw a 5 out when I shoot). It's a longshot, aka sucker, bet...but why the hell else do they call it gambling?? If everybody won every time, they'd call it something else, lol. Anyway, a couple months ago, I hit 6 points and made $1250 on that bet alone. And any craps player will tell you that when you hit 6 points in 1 roll alone, you're making money. DAMN, I can't wait to shoot the m-f'in dice this weekend! See you at the PH craps tables, most likely around 4A-7A :D

Heading to Vegas tomorrow! Booked my flight last minute just to get away for a few days. I'm all about the Fire Bet, too bad it's only at Harrah's properties. Can't wait to throw some dice!

Good luck :)

What is the fire bet?

What is the fire bet?

you can only place it before any points have been rolled. basically you lose to a craps. you get paid when all the points are hit, or 5/6 cant remember. so basically each point has to be hit by a single shooter before they crap out.

Craps is a dice game where players bet on the outcome of the reel, or a series of rollers, a pair of dice. Players can bet on each other money or bank. Because it requires very little equipment, street dice directly in an informal setting. Bank of dice to play the game by one or more players in a casino. Players want to play dice craps table should not be close to the shooter, first check to see dealer's "open" button in any number of points.

What is the fire bet?

you can only place it before any points have been rolled. basically you lose to a craps. you get paid when all the points are hit, or 5/6 cant remember. so basically each point has to be hit by a single shooter before they crap out.

Wow the odds on that when it hits must be really high , 250 to 1?

What is the fire bet?

you can only place it before any points have been rolled. basically you lose to a craps. you get paid when all the points are hit, or 5/6 cant remember. so basically each point has to be hit by a single shooter before they crap out.

Wow the odds on that when it hits must be really high , 250 to 1?

You lose when you seven out, not on crap out. The payout is 25:1 for 4 different pts, 250:1 for 5 different points, and 1000:1 for all 6 points. I believe you are allowed to bet $1-$5.

I love to play craps where there is a low minimum stake but X5 or X10 odds to get the best value.

My biggest Craps hot streak came at Hooters of all places. The losses too painful to mention!

Best Game EVER! But at timesm there is no quicker way to lose money in all of Vegas!... At least gambling that is!

Best Game EVER! But at timesm there is no quicker way to lose money in all of Vegas!... At least gambling that is!
Actually, if you just bet the pass line, its one of the lower ways to lose money.

I played craps for the first time in a Canadian casino last year and it is the one of the best games in the casino. When you have a big crowd around and are only betting $5 at a time, it’s an awesome way to get into the energy and excitement of the whole crowd.

Defiantly going to try it again in Vegas this year!

I played craps for the first time in a Canadian casino last year and it is the one of the best games in the casino. When you have a big crowd around and are only betting $5 at a time, it’s an awesome way to get into the energy and excitement of the whole crowd.

Defiantly going to try it again in Vegas this year!

I agree! I had a blast playing with a bunch of old guys at the Luxor one morning. I think a broke about even or was up a little but I just bet the min. and played for like 2+ hrs on $100.

Am only 2 and a half weeks till I touch down at Mccarren! The one thing I like about Vegas is the stick "short-sticking" A young lady with a low cut blouse. lol
A good crew is worth the price of the loss sometimes..... well, almost anyway. See you all at the felt and Good Luck! PS Rolling two 5's is my favorite wager.

My last play has been the $5 Hi-Lo (on the come out roll only) with 30x's odds, it's a pretty good payout/insurance when you're playing for a while.

I only play the fire bet when I'm on a hot table. I've seen it hit 4 numbers a couple of times. But never when I bet it:mad:

My last play has been the $5 Hi-Lo (on the come out roll only) with 30x's odds, it's a pretty good payout/insurance when you're playing for a while.

I only play the fire bet when I'm on a hot table. I've seen it hit 4 numbers a couple of times. But never when I bet it:mad:

Good call on the hi-lo bet! I usually throw out $5 every come out..."2 on the C&E, 3 on the hi-lo" lol...every PH craps worker knows me by this bet :D

Isn't that refered to as "A Five Dollar World"? :eek:

I usually throw a Dollar yo on the come out and place a nickle on the "hard10" if the point is a 4, 9, or 10.

Is it bad when you walk up to the craps table at a casino and they say "Hi Dave!".....:confused:

:D

I've always just wanted to take like a grand or two and start betting $50 or $100 on the yo every single roll....never had the balls cause I don't wanna be wiped out on my first day haha...but this next trip I made a rule that if I'm breaking even by the end of the trip I'm gonna be a degenerate and bet the yo every roll till I'm wiped out or king of the world!!!

Is it bad when you walk up to the craps table at a casino and they say "Hi Dave!".....:confused:

:D

nah, that just means good vibes.

Play at The Casino Royale 100x odds best than any craps game on the strip. The craps players there know how to have a good time.

I have never done the Casino Royale craps. I hear from lots of people it's a good way to have a blast during the day and get your bankroll up because the odds are so good. I can't remember if they have the $5 minimum of lower. Anyone remember?

I have never done the Casino Royale craps. I hear from lots of people it's a good way to have a blast during the day and get your bankroll up because the odds are so good. I can't remember if they have the $5 minimum of lower. Anyone remember?

Not sure, but I'll be checking it out this trip for sure. We'll be spending alot of time in that part of the strip. Btw, love your sig! lol :D

Well, report back!

Lowest I've seen at Casino Royale was $5. Also, pretty sure max odds are 100x.

That's pretty damn good. Main Street (yeah, I know, it's downtown) has 100x odds too, I think.

HOLY CRAP, I'm excited to play craps again.

100x odds are basically sucker bets at craps tables. 5x odds (max at most casinos) will basically whittle the house edge down to .36% and anything above that is negligible for that purpose. Even at a measly $5 pass line you'd be looking at $500 dollars behind on one roll? No thanks, I'd rather take 2x or 3x and spend my money in the middle (usually on Come and placing odds on it).

HUH? If that was a sucker bet then why don't most casinos offer that? Come on man.

I played Casino Royale a month ago. It was a slow weekend, but they had $2 mins & 100X odds. Got lucky with some kid from Alabama who made 8 or so points giving all new meaning to "Roll Tide"! The place itself is a hole but OMG is it fun!!! :)

Can I just land in McCarran already? I need me some craps! Playing for fun on Bodog is only fun for so long!

So for the places to go to play craps (best bang for your buck):

Strip: I really don't think there is anywhere better to play than Casino Royale. These prices apply to all times (I have been there on a Saturday day/night and never seen them raise the prices).

You can play $5 minimum with 100x odds and I can't remember if it's $2 or $3 minimum with less odds, again can't remember the exact amount, but I think it's 50x odds.

Why is this so great? Because it means if you play full odds, the house edge ends up being somewhere around 0.02% aka practically zero. Now, I don't play max odds, but even playing 5x odds or 10x odds gives an approximately .3% and .2% house edge respectively. This is much better than most of the strip where minimums are typically $10-$15 and have 2x odds or the popular 3x-4x-5x. This means that you lose less money and it takes longer to lose it.

I also think the wait staff is very attentive. Plus, the tables here are always crowded and very fun! The last time I was there our table and many onlookers in the casino had a big chant and the wave going every time someone rolled (the table was hot)! Its not anything snazzy to look at, but any place that I can get a Cinnabon and play craps and blackjack is heaven to me!

Downtown:

Main Street, period.

Although I have a friend who obtained golden arm status at Cali and is quite partial to that table, you can't beat Main Street. $5 minimum and 20x odds. In addition, you can qualify for the golden arm award if you roll for over an hour. Cali also does this, but they only give 2x odds.

If anyone knows of any better places or better odds, please let me know. I love craps and it has always been my favorite game since my dad taught me at age 12.

Also, I noticed a lot of people asking to learn how to play. I'd be happy to explain to anyone who wants to know. Just hit me up or find me at the Casino Royale tables this weekend!

So I guess I'll be heading to Casino Royale on my upcoming trip to get my craps fix! I always just ended up playing at the hotels I was staying at, but it is time to venture out. Thanks for the heads up on the odds vbchica923!

vbchica, gracias! I've heard good things so far from JC'ers about craps at Casino Royale. But your breakdown pretty much closes the deal...I WILL be making an appearance on their craps tables their to make that $$$! ha :cool:

Two tables, $3.00 min bets....good place to roll....Darth Vader'ed them for over $1300.00 in April....Good luck my friend!!! I will try my luck again over the 4th weekend.

What's everyone's startegy? I have heard so many. Some people only play the pass line and odd. Some only do 6 and 8. I, randomly, love 9's. They do so well for me.

Most times I never seem to win much at craps. I either lose or break even. Do I just need to grow a set and make more bets? Wait for the table to heat up?

What's everyone's startegy? I have heard so many. Some people only play the pass line and odd. Some only do 6 and 8. I, randomly, love 9's. They do so well for me.

Most times I never seem to win much at craps. I either lose or break even. Do I just need to grow a set and make more bets? Wait for the table to heat up?

Yes and yes :)
I personally like to play the point +2 (established w/come bets). This is standard for me, so I'm always playing 3 numbers. It may sound like a sucker bet, but put a damn $1 on the Fire Bet if they have it! I even put $5 when I'm the shooter. And in 2 years, I've already hit the 5-in-a-row twice ($1250 each). Last but not least, learn to be patient w/a cooler table. Play w/people who look like they know what they're doing, and copy their bets if you feel the need. The game is just so streaky but play smart, consistent, and up your bets on a hot table and you should do fine. Besides, it's always the funnest table on the floor :p

I almost always play the same way and in 20+ casino trips I have never left with less money that I started - although I wouldn't expect that sort of luck.

Its pretty simple (lets say the table min is $5):
1. Place $5 on the Pass Line and $5 on the Don't Pass Line - with this bet the only way I can lose is with a 12 on the come out roll (1 in 36 chance).... anything else, worst case scenario, I break even if I do nothing.
2. If the point is set at 4,5,9,10 I will place odds on the DONT PASS LINE - it works opposite of the passline
3. If the point is set at 6/8 - lets says 6, I will place $6/$12/etc on the 8 to come and collect my money on the 1st/3rd/5th/etc hits and press on the 2nd/4th/6th/etc.

You'll never win a ton at once, you'll never lose a ton at once and you'll be able to sit and play for hours on $100.... I've seriously never left a craps table with less money that I've started with doing just this - including tips

Call me crazy, but i have always enjoyed playing at El Cortez. And to the above poster, I am sure you aren't making many friends at the table placing odds on the don't pass....

I am sure you aren't making many friends at the table placing odds on the don't pass....


I'm never an asshole about winning while everyone else loses. I've gotten a dirty look or two but just keep things light hearted and people don't mind too much... I'm like the Lebron James of craps, makes it more fun.


One night though I was playing my usual dark-side method and a guy came up and watched me for a minute, then bought in for like$2000 .... he played for like 2/3 mins before saying something along the lines of, "Are you retarded? You can't win like that... might as well just throw away your money.... That is the stupidest bet I've ever seen (I know he said this last part).... well no more than 20 mins later he was cleaned out. 2k gone in minutes, and I was up 250/300... just sort of look at him and said, "Wow, your last bet was the stupidest bet I've ever seen..." he gave me a nod of 'okay, you win...' and walked away.

There has been other nights where I've showed up, played like this and before you know it half or more of the table is playing like me.

I am sure you aren't making many friends at the table placing odds on the don't pass....


I'm never an asshole about winning while everyone else loses. I've gotten a dirty look or two but just keep things light hearted and people don't mind too much... I'm like the Lebron James of craps, makes it more fun.


One night though I was playing my usual dark-side method and a guy came up and watched me for a minute, then bought in for like$2000 .... he played for like 2/3 mins before saying something along the lines of, "Are you retarded? You can't win like that... might as well just throw away your money.... That is the stupidest bet I've ever seen (I know he said this last part).... well no more than 20 mins later he was cleaned out. 2k gone in minutes, and I was up 250/300... just sort of look at him and said, "Wow, your last bet was the stupidest bet I've ever seen..." he gave me a nod of 'okay, you win...' and walked away.

There has been other nights where I've showed up, played like this and before you know it half or more of the table is playing like me.

Craps is certainly a game of discipline...when playing the darkside I tend to post-up and not say a whole lot....smiling on the inside as I watch people come and go from the table.

Just got back and played about 30 hours of craps total, which is quite a bit and did fairly well. I would basically play the pass line minimum and then full odds (best bet on the casino floor) Then I would place a come bet and once that point was established I would place full odds there. At a $10 tables this would be about $120 on the table at a time and I would randomly pick numbers and the occasional hard way and always a dealer bet on my odds. Can't say enough how fun this game is especially if you are winning, but you can also go down in a hurry.

100x odds are basically sucker bets at craps tables.

You could not be more wrong on this. 100X odds on a don't pass line bet would be the best odds you can get on any game of chance.....anywhere.

You could not be more wrong on this. 100X odds on a don't pass line bet would be the best odds you can get on any game of chance.....anywhere.


Agreed. you're getting in for cheap $5 min lets say... so very low risk on the come out roll (where your worst odds are) and then are able to bet an insane amount where the house has 0% edge... after the point is out, if you're playing strickly odds - you and the house are dead even - just the luck of the roll...

... but being able to max out 100x odds takes some $$$$, and some balls.

3. If the point is set at 6/8 - lets says 6, I will place $6/$12/etc on the 8 to come and collect my money on the 1st/3rd/5th/etc hits and press on the 2nd/4th/6th/etc.

I'm not following the last bit of this part (neither the logic nor what exact field or what ypu mean by "press"), could be my fairly brief contact with craps. Could you elaborate?

I'm not following the last bit of this part (neither the logic nor what exact field or what ypu mean by "press"), could be my fairly brief contact with craps. Could you elaborate?


Since my usual play I like to bet against 4/5/9/10... but 6/8 are a little too close to "7" for my liking and don't like to be for (pass) or against (don't pass) on these numbers.

You can "buy" an number 4-10 on the board. Doing this means you put $XX on that number and every time it hits you get paid. If the point is made your money stays out there as well, if the shooter 7s-out the money is lost.

... since I usually don't bet for/against a 6/8, I will usually "buy" the opposite one that is set... example:

Come out roll = 6
... I place $6 ($6 is needed because of the payout $6 pays out $7) on the 8. So now I'm hoping the shooter hits an 8 like 15 tmies in a row, because each time he/she does, I get paid.
1st time it is hit I take the money that is paid to me (so the bet pays for itself +$1)
2nd time it is hit I "press" the bet.... meaning I take my winnings from it being hit and add it to the bet, taking it from $6 --> $12.... so now if it hits again the payout will be 2x my original (but I haven't taken any chips from my rack)...
3rd time I take the winnings off the $12 ($12 from pressing the best on the 2nd hit)
4th time I press it again making the bet $24 now
5th time, I take the money
6th time I press it to $48 ... etc etc etc.

... doing this (assuming it hits once) allows you to increase the bet a lot without digging into your chip rack... and if the point (6 in this case is hit) my money would stay out there for the next point...

you can take this money back at any point too.... so lets say the 8 is hit seven times during a shooters run, I just got paid out based on have pressed every other bet, so I've made this follwing amount of money:
1st hit - paid $7
2nd hit - press $6 to bet - I get $1 ($7 payout on $6 bet but cost $6 to press)
3rd hit - take $14
4th - Press bet $12 and take $2 leftover
5th - take $28
6th - Press bet $24 and take $4
7th - take $56 --- at this point I feel the 7-out has to be coming, so I can pull the money that I have up there down and put it back in my chip rack (can do this at anytime)... so at this point from my $6 initial bet I've made:
$7 first hit + $1 2nd hit/press + $14 3rd + $2 4th/press + $28 5th + $4 6th/press + $56 7th + $48 (current bet on the table I've pulled down) = $160

Great advice sidekicknicholas. I tend to take back my bets more before I press but that's also because I usually bet a few numbers starting out, ie 5,6,9. Im not disciplined enough to just bet on the 8 (or any one number) but 6, 8 pass line are usually the best bets.

Thanks for the great breakdown!
I'm not following the last bit of this part (neither the logic nor what exact field or what ypu mean by "press"), could be my fairly brief contact with craps. Could you elaborate?


Since my usual play I like to bet against 4/5/9/10... but 6/8 are a little too close to "7" for my liking and don't like to be for (pass) or against (don't pass) on these numbers.

You can "buy" an number 4-10 on the board. Doing this means you put $XX on that number and every time it hits you get paid. If the point is made your money stays out there as well, if the shooter 7s-out the money is lost.

... since I usually don't bet for/against a 6/8, I will usually "buy" the opposite one that is set... example:

Come out roll = 6
... I place $6 ($6 is needed because of the payout $6 pays out $7) on the 8. So now I'm hoping the shooter hits an 8 like 15 tmies in a row, because each time he/she does, I get paid.
1st time it is hit I take the money that is paid to me (so the bet pays for itself +$1)
2nd time it is hit I "press" the bet.... meaning I take my winnings from it being hit and add it to the bet, taking it from $6 --> $12.... so now if it hits again the payout will be 2x my original (but I haven't taken any chips from my rack)...
3rd time I take the winnings off the $12 ($12 from pressing the best on the 2nd hit)
4th time I press it again making the bet $24 now
5th time, I take the money
6th time I press it to $48 ... etc etc etc.

... doing this (assuming it hits once) allows you to increase the bet a lot without digging into your chip rack... and if the point (6 in this case is hit) my money would stay out there for the next point...

you can take this money back at any point too.... so lets say the 8 is hit seven times during a shooters run, I just got paid out based on have pressed every other bet, so I've made this follwing amount of money:
1st hit - paid $7
2nd hit - press $6 to bet - I get $1 ($7 payout on $6 bet but cost $6 to press)
3rd hit - take $14
4th - Press bet $12 and take $2 leftover
5th - take $28
6th - Press bet $24 and take $4
7th - take $56 --- at this point I feel the 7-out has to be coming, so I can pull the money that I have up there down and put it back in my chip rack (can do this at anytime)... so at this point from my $6 initial bet I've made:
$7 first hit + $1 2nd hit/press + $14 3rd + $2 4th/press + $28 5th + $4 6th/press + $56 7th + $48 (current bet on the table I've pulled down) = $160

My favorite was clearing a table when I started to shoot from the Don't. Guys started pulling their bets and I just kept cleaning up. Try it once if you want some breathing space at a crowded table.

My favorite was clearing a table when I started to shoot from the Don't. Guys started pulling their bets and I just kept cleaning up. Try it once if you want some breathing space at a crowded table.

A few years ago I tried this at the Venetian, during the day, at a table by myself. I kept shooting for a 7 but was not succesful at all, probably because I was at the end of the table instead of stick left or Stick right.

Nonetheless, I just cant bring myself to get into shooting the darkside. It just isnt as fun. When a table is hot and everyone is getting into the spirit of it and having fun while winning, that is priceless!

I almost always play the same way and in 20+ casino trips I have never left with less money that I started - although I wouldn't expect that sort of luck.

Its pretty simple (lets say the table min is $5):
1. Place $5 on the Pass Line and $5 on the Don't Pass Line - with this bet the only way I can lose is with a 12 on the come out roll (1 in 36 chance).... anything else, worst case scenario, I break even if I do nothing.
2. If the point is set at 4,5,9,10 I will place odds on the DONT PASS LINE - it works opposite of the passline
3. If the point is set at 6/8 - lets says 6, I will place $6/$12/etc on the 8 to come and collect my money on the 1st/3rd/5th/etc hits and press on the 2nd/4th/6th/etc.

You'll never win a ton at once, you'll never lose a ton at once and you'll be able to sit and play for hours on $100.... I've seriously never left a craps table with less money that I've started with doing just this - including tips

thats actually not a bad strategy. i find that a lot of people are scared to play the dont pass line. if you play it right it can be advantageous.

but people dont like if you play it because it brings bad luck to the rollers.

I almost always play the same way and in 20+ casino trips I have never left with less money that I started - although I wouldn't expect that sort of luck.

Its pretty simple (lets say the table min is $5):
1. Place $5 on the Pass Line and $5 on the Don't Pass Line - with this bet the only way I can lose is with a 12 on the come out roll (1 in 36 chance).... anything else, worst case scenario, I break even if I do nothing.
2. If the point is set at 4,5,9,10 I will place odds on the DONT PASS LINE - it works opposite of the passline
3. If the point is set at 6/8 - lets says 6, I will place $6/$12/etc on the 8 to come and collect my money on the 1st/3rd/5th/etc hits and press on the 2nd/4th/6th/etc.

You'll never win a ton at once, you'll never lose a ton at once and you'll be able to sit and play for hours on $100.... I've seriously never left a craps table with less money that I've started with doing just this - including tips

thats actually not a bad strategy. i find that a lot of people are scared to play the dont pass line. if you play it right it can be advantageous.

but people dont like if you play it because it brings bad luck to the rollers.
To be clear, if the number is a 6 you place the 8 and press after each alternate hit?

Me and the guys have been taking Vegas trips for about a decade to play dice. Typically, we simply play 2 numbers at 4-5X odds...Cover the hardways and attempt to parlay up to 800 or 1000 depending on the number. The last few trips, we've gotten peeled. Except for the 1-2 guys who hit the hardway. In regards to the last post, anyone else have a "system"? I suppose hedging the bet a little is not a bad idea, still it's my understanding that 2 numbers in addition to the pass line with odds on each offers the best statistical chance...

I suppose hedging the bet a little is not a bad idea, still it's my understanding that 2 numbers in addition to the pass line with odds on each offers the best statistical chance...


Odds alone are your best bet... anything else just hurts you

I suppose hedging the bet a little is not a bad idea, still it's my understanding that 2 numbers in addition to the pass line with odds on each offers the best statistical chance...


Odds alone are your best bet... anything else just hurts you

Very true.

But this alone can make craps boring, and it just shouldnt be that way!

When I was taught to play, I was told to bet "6, 8, passline...pick up chips". As the night went on and I made more money (there was a great roller, an Asian man, that night at the Venetian who rolled a lot of 6s and 8s), I noticed other people putting chips behind the passline. I began copying them and before long was getting more and more green chips. They were playing the odds.

So I think if I had to choose one method and one method only, it would be to play the 6, 8 and passline plus odds.

There are 6 ways to roll a 7, so the next best thing is a 6 or 8 (statistically speaking), which have 5 ways of being rolled.

The hardways are fun but overall are a sucker bet... but hey, I enjoy being a sucker every once in a while :)

The hardways are fun but overall are a sucker bet... but hey, I enjoy being a sucker every once in a while


Sometimes playing the don't pass I'll use the hardways to cover my ass...

Lets say on a 4 or 10 (I think its 8-1 payout) I'll bet $20 don't pass odds and then $3 on a hard 10... so the only number I lose on is a 6-4. 5-5 I will win $24 (but lose $20 on don't pass) only give me $4, and if I hit a 7 I will $10 on the don't pass but lose $3 on the hard 10.

I think its Osheas still has 100x odds on craps - best bet in Vegas

The hardways are fun but overall are a sucker bet... but hey, I enjoy being a sucker every once in a while


Sometimes playing the don't pass I'll use the hardways to cover my ass...

Lets say on a 4 or 10 (I think its 8-1 payout) I'll bet $20 don't pass odds and then $3 on a hard 10... so the only number I lose on is a 6-4. 5-5 I will win $24 (but lose $20 on don't pass) only give me $4, and if I hit a 7 I will $10 on the don't pass but lose $3 on the hard 10.

I think its Osheas still has 100x odds on craps - best bet in Vegas

Casino Royale has 100x odds too, right on the strip. Plus $3 minimums, but I think you have to actually play the $5 tables to take advantage of the 100x odds (should ye be so brave!)

I like your strategy of using the hardways to cover, but even better:
Placing the 4 and/or 10, having a field bet out, pass line bet, odds, AND a bet on 4 or 10-hardway and it HITTING! Quadruple payout, and best of all you get 2:1 payout on the odds and point.

I did this multiple times in Tunica 2 years ago...I so hope to repeat it in Vegas this December.

Placing the 4 and/or 10, having a field bet out, pass line bet, odds, AND a bet on 4 or 10-hardway and it HITTING! Quadruple payout, and best of all you get 2:1 payout on the odds and point.

Sounds like a great payday... but I think the key there is "... and it HITTING"

I play more for the entertainment of the game than the lure of big money. I just like the social nature of it all, the free drinks, and the chaos that goes with hot/cold nights.

but I think you have to actually play the $5 tables to take advantage of the 100x odds (should ye be so brave!)

I certainly don't have the brass to play 100x odds... We'll see how drunk I am next trip, maybe one point - all or nothing